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[0:00]F1’s ongoing success, a new Apple News option, and Apple CEO’s then and now.
[0:06]Podcast Introduction
[0:07]This is Mac Voices.
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[0:30]Welcome to Mac Voices. This is the talk of the Apple community, and I’m Chuck Joyner. Folks, this is Mac Voices Live. It’s Tuesday night, 8 p.m. Eastern. We are on YouTube at youtube.com slash macvoicestv. I hope you will be here next time because if you’re here now, you’re probably already in the chat room. But if you’re not, then join us every Tuesday in the chat room. Share your ideas, your thoughts on what we’re talking about, and just in general, abuse the crew. because that seems to be one of the favorite pastimes of the chat room. We have a lot to get through tonight. You didn’t think there’s much happening, but there’s a lot happening out there. So we’re going to get through what we can. But first, we’re going to get through the introductions. Top left of my screen in the corner, Mr. David Ginsberg on a new microphone tonight. David, good to have you. Yeah, what the heck, I thought I’d try a little bit. This is a Rode NT-USB, and it’s a condenser mic, which I’m not normally used to, but hopefully I’m sounding good and glad to be here as always. Yeah, absolutely. You sound great. Thank you. Marty Gensius is here. Marty, from what you said pre-show, this is your third podcast today?
[1:43]Yeah, I recorded two today. I’ve got a third pro note to do after the show. So it’s been a busy podcast day, but I’m trying to clear out my week because I’m doing some traveling at the latter part of the week. So, and this is not a new microphone, but it is a new microphone cover. So I switched from blue to black. So, ah, okay. Sounds suspiciously the same. Yeah. Brian Flanagan Arthurs is here. He’s back in a tie. Brian, it’s good to see you. Thank you. Good to be back. Good to be back in a tie as well. Not too many people would say that. Of the routine, though. I’ve heard a lot of corps say that.
[2:35]Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Webb Bixby is here with a very bright background quilt. Webb, it’s great to have you. What do you have behind you tonight? Well, this is the quilt that I put on for the Kansas City Chiefs. Of course, the summer training camp started this week, and I’m the eternal optimist and a homer, so go Chiefs.
[3:06]Yeah, that’s good. That’s good. We certainly are showing your colors, no question about it. Guy Searle is back after a bit of an absence. Guy, it’s great to have you, but you’re always on a new microphone, so I’m not even going to bother to ask. I this is actually the microphone that i’ve been i’ve been using for a while i i picked it up it was a steal for about a hundred bucks i got a heil pr35 which normally sells for it’s like over 200 bucks it’s it was a great deal at the time yeah yeah for any heil 100 bucks is a pretty darn good deal you might be able to buy a cable for it for 100 bucks well at this point since i’m not working there won’t be a whole lot of microphone purchases going forward ah i see well it’s good to have you back thank you it’s good to be here jim ray is here he is still hanging out with the cupertino background jim is it just wishful thinking or is this going to be a new permanent home, You know, when I logged on, I was mentioning the Zoom settings. It was because I was looking to see if I should change the background. But I think I’ll stick with this for a while. It’s still a pretty good one.
[4:23]Yeah, it’s very, very summery. That works. That works. Mark Fuccio joined just in Under the Wire to get introduced. Mark, it’s good to see you. And you’ve got a lot of tech in that background. What all’s going on in there oh microphone it’s all old tech that he wants to recycle yeah.
[4:47]I think he needs to recycle the microphone. Mark, we don’t have anything from you. He keeps talking. Yeah, we see your lips move, and you’re not showing you’re muted. He just smiles.
[5:06]We still don’t hear you. No.
[5:09]Nope. Nope. Okay, we’re going to come back to Mark to hear about his background once he gets his microphone going.
[5:20]Folks, we have one little PSA tonight, and I don’t know if anyone here has experienced this, but Lifehacker, this coming to you courtesy of Lifehacker, there apparently is a scam email, excuse me, a scam text message going on, not the ones that we’re all familiar with. In fact, I just got another one. But this has to do with your iCloud storage. And so if you have received anything like that or you want to know what’s going on, please check the link. I just put it in the chat rooms, and I’m also going to put it in the show notes. But this just goes without saying. Anything that is a link in a chat, don’t click. If you have a question, in this case it’s about iCloud, log into your iCloud account. If there really is something going on, the message will be there. But don’t click on anything because you don’t know what you’ll be downloading or surrendering. I got a new one today, I have to admit. I had not seen this one before that said, your phone number is in my phone, but I have no idea who you are. Could you remind me? Yeah, a lot of those. Oh, yeah, that was a new one for me.
[6:42]That and, of course, the traffic violations. Yeah. So. I just did a trip to Michigan and they have all along the turnpikes where they have the little like signs and stuff that they can put messages on. Almost every single state had a message on their signs saying, you know, we will not contact you to pay for a ticket, you know, through chat or whatever. It’s a scam. Wow. Wow. Okay. The, the panel is filling out. Mark Fugio. Do you have a microphone?
[7:26]Can you hear me, Mark? Now he can nope we can’t hear you I can hear you I just don’t know what you’re saying yeah how was that, didn’t sound at all like Mark I thought it sounded just like you Mark I gather you can’t hear us and we can’t hear you so we’ll come back to you, Jeff Gamma oh shaman of Luigi I can’t believe you can’t hear me, That still doesn’t, doesn’t even sound. I don’t know what that sounds like. It’s disturbing. Isn’t that just Mark’s voice? I mean, he was talking.
[8:07]Technical Difficulties
[8:08]It’s marriage.
[8:13]How are you, Jeff? I’m doing great. I didn’t, I didn’t think you were going to make it. So I’m delighted. It’s a short version. A lot of stuff ended up changing with the schedule today. And while I’m late, at least I was able to make it. Yeah, no, it’s great. It’s great. We’re going to move on one more time. Mark, you there yet?
[8:38]F1 Movie Success
[8:38]Nope. Okay. This is the first story, the actual story of the evening.
[8:46]I’m trying to figure out what happened. Oh, I see. Jeff, when you came in, you extended the chat. So there we go. We talked about this last week. This is just an updated number that Apple’s F1 movie now crossed the $500 million mark at the global box office. Impressive to say the least so this i think now uh f1 seems to be if i remember correctly the news that it’s neck and neck with superman um the only difference is that superman took two weeks to get there f1 took like four so anyway you take it it’s a nice nice and nice number it’s a it’s a, it has a big star, but really at the end of the day, it’s a relatively small budget picture that didn’t have a whole lot of advertising. And it’s been, it seems like it’s mostly been word of mouth that has brought in the audiences. And the fact that, you know, I mean, I don’t know how much it costs to make, but I’m sure Apple is delighted with its performance. And I think that, uh, going forward that this, you know, Apple could, their next bit of revenue could come from producing movies that actually go through the movie theaters first. Crazy talk.
[10:14]Well, they also want to give it the opportunity. They also want to give it the opportunity to, if it can be an Academy Award qualified movie, you have to put it in the movie theaters. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, yeah.
[10:29]I still haven’t seen the movie, and I’m still the race fan. Like I said, I’ve been all over this planet going to Formula One races. I’ve been to Germany and France and just all over the place, Canada too. And I went to all the races in Indianapolis. So I am a true Formula One fan. So I was looking at the theater down the street from my house to see it again. It is now every other day at 9.50 p.m. at night. That’s the only time they’re showing it. So it’s kind of hit its peak, and it’s starting on the downhill slide of movie releases. So I still haven’t seen it. Still disappointed that I haven’t seen it. Some of you have heard me say this. I am officially, as of yesterday at 5 o’clock, I am on my forced vacation that I have to vacate the office. I can’t go in. I can’t attend any meetings, and the external auditors come in and go through all my stuff and make sure I’m not furloughing any of the company’s money. So I have all this time, and I just don’t want to go to a movie at 10 o’clock at night.
[11:40]Webb, I thought I saw something that they’re going to re-release this in IMAX. That’s what I was going to say. I’ve heard that. On August 8th, they’re going to re-release it on IMAX. Yeah, because I’m with you, Webb. I haven’t seen it either. I really want to. And when I read that, it’s like, okay, I’m just going to put it on my schedule and do it because I really want to see this in IMAX. Well, come on over. I’ll pay for your ticket. Oh, thank you. I’m going to do that too. When does the 3D version come out? It’s out right now, guy. We’re watching it. Guy, when you go see the movie, does it take half as long or twice as long? Oh, twice as long. Both through one eye. There’s nothing sacred when it comes to this group, I tell you. It is amazing. Out of curiosity, though, how many people here have seen it?
[12:47]Okay. How many people want to see us? There we go. Actually, you know what? I’m going to wait until it comes out through Apple TV. Yeah, same. Yeah, same. You know, there has to be nowadays because, you know, movie theaters used to be the kind of thing or movies used to be the kind of thing that you would go to just on a whim. It’d be like, oh, yeah, okay, I’ll go see that. But now with just how awful so many people are in movie theaters these days, quite frankly, if I can watch a movie on a 55 to 65 inch screen with decent sound at home, I’ll pop my own damn popcorn, you know, and just sit there and enjoy it there. And if I have to pee, I don’t have to, you know, wait until, okay, well, nothing’s probably going to happen in the next 10 minutes and come back and find out the murderer was this person and you completely missed it. So, you know, I can just hit pause and wait, who’s my father? I can finish it.
[13:56]I i 98 agree with you but i think this movie could be an exception where to see it on an imax screen would be would be worth it yeah i agree jim that’s one reason i’m kind of holding out um but you know this is off topic but it’s also on topic the last time i went to the movie theater was, I guess now it’s a couple months ago. And the movie was quite affordable. But the concessions were insane. How would you ever even go near the concessions? Because that’s where they were selling the tickets. That’s the only reason I did. Oh. Because, you know, you want how much for a candy bar? You want what for a tin of popcorn? You know, I mean… So you bought your ticket at the theater? Yes. Because nowadays is I find you can’t do that. They’re all gone by then. You have to buy it online and select your seat. Depends on the movie. Well, here in California, if you just show up, you’re going to be sitting in the front row going like this.
[15:07]Wow. So there’s that much, that many attendees? That’s impressive. Well, I mean, if it’s a popular movie, I mean, you know, maybe if you go Tuesday afternoon to something that’s been out for a month, but if it’s, it’s something that’s playing, you, you know, you’ve got to buy the, you know, the, the, the other flip side is you can, you know, just show up a half hour late because you’ve got a guaranteed seat and, uh, skip all the trailers, skip all the trailers. Yeah. Well, that’s a whole other discussion too. But, you know, as I recently did go to a movie theater, not having bought a ticket in advance, I was like, oh, I’m never doing that again.
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[17:32]Apple’s New “In the Loop”
[17:32]Apple has a new section of their website called in the loop um which the this article from nine to five mac says it solves its social media fragmentation problem um we we had sort of a conversation about this a couple weeks ago uh on about about apple going to threads and so i i kind of think they may have been listening to us and sort of took some of the advice especially advice Jeff was doling out because now they can control the message and it’s not necessarily a press release kind of thing. It’s more just an awareness kind of thing. So I applaud them for it. I think it’s great. And I’ve just got to figure out a way to subscribe to it as opposed to having to go to it. But other than that.
[18:25]So I was really puzzled by this story. What they’re saying is apple has invented a website uh you can look at it that way jim you can you can look at it that way web 4.0 but if you look at if you look at the posts they are they are more like a social media post as opposed to a press release well you know of course social media is you know all websites right.
[18:57]Um, Twitter’s a website, Facebook’s a website threads is what, you know, they’re all, they’re all on the web, but, um, and let’s see, okay, here’s the site. So does it even have RSS? No, not that I’ve been able to find. Yeah. So, well, it’s, it’s, it’s embedded. You go to the page and it shows all the latest news. Then you got to scroll down halfway down the page. Do you see?
[19:30]Tim Cook’s Leadership Comparison
[19:31]It’s uh on apple.com slash newsroom uh that’s where you find a section called uh in the loop then i saw kansas city come up in ted lasso so that was good for you web, yeah i i mean again i think it’s i think it’s an interesting solution i wonder how it’s going to evolve, but at least it does feel a little bit better than just having to slog through all the press releases with all the usual boilerplate so I applaud them for that, All right, Chuck, I’m jumping in. Go for it. First, I’m glad to see that Apple is doing this because, like I said, this is how you control the narrative, how you control the message. You don’t rely on social media platforms for any of that. And, Jim, yes, Apple has discovered a website and a blog. Um, uh, here’s the problem and I cannot applaud them for this Chuck, because what they’ve done is half the job.
[20:52]They’ve got the content there, but they have not positioned it in a way so that it’s easily accessible to a wide audience. You have to go to the apple.com slash newsroom site to see and find this content. They don’t have a separate RSS feed. They don’t have a way to subscribe to this specifically. And that’s what they need. They need to give people a way to subscribe. Okay. Now here’s, here’s the irony. You can’t link to the items either. uh you can share them yeah oh click on one of them and there’s a share icon um here’s the irony check the the the way they could do this super easy to make this shareable with a wide audience across multiple platforms is spin up their own mastodon instance and uh and then let it distribute out through the Fediverse. So then you’d be able to hit threads and BlueSky and Mastodon and whatever other services federate.
[22:06]Interesting idea. And so in about three weeks, we’ll be talking about Apple’s new Mastodon presence because Jeff recommended it to them. Because that’s kind of what happened here. I hope my check is in the mail. Jeff, you know, we know how Apple likes to control the message. And I don’t know why they would hate RSS or wouldn’t be happy with that to get some of the info distributed. But yeah i have rss for the um or do they have rss for the newsroom site crap i.
[22:44]I don’t think so look i i set up a thing through ift where i’ve done some some stuff behind the scenes to monitor the apple newsroom site or page so i get alerts every time apple posts something on the newsroom site. I have not seen anything pop up from the… I’m going to try to add it to my… From the… Yeah, there’s that feed. In the loop. There’s an RSS feed. Okay. So we just need to get something for the in the loop. So, you know, take it for what it’s worth. Okay, so apparently I used the RSS feed with IFTTT, and it doesn’t matter. The point is they need to have a separate access point for their in-the-loop content.
[23:45]And until they do that, this is not something that I would look at and say, oh, yeah, the general public is going to get this short soundbite social media type information from Apple. It’s not going to happen. But since you can share it, I don’t know how it shares out. I did not try that. I don’t know if that’s a way to get it out into other social media or whether it’s just through some of the usual Apple sharing channels. So maybe it’s a work in progress, although that seems awfully strange. Okay, so when you share, you have direct links for Facebook. Uh x email and then you can just copy the link so i just copied the link for one of the things and there you go chuck.
[24:38]So that’s great, except it’s also not, because this should be something that can be done without me having to go and directly interact to get at this content. Yeah, I agree. Marty? Marty? Yeah, I find trying to get news about Apple rather frustrating from Apple. You know, they have a newsroom. a lot of the stories are fluff stories it’s not information about things that they’re doing i have to go to other sources to get it and uh to prepare for a show or or to do things and i just wish you know when you say apple needs to control its message it’s doesn’t seem like it is doing anything with a message other than some fluff stories about uh that are that are shared through this in the loop thing i’m not getting anything about content or patents or things like that that i have to go to other sources to get i think that’s a fortune 500 yeah i see the same thing like with car manufacturers you know and you look at their news page and it’s mostly fluff.
[25:59]Yeah you know they’re not in the news business they’re yeah and and i’m not sure that any company is going to produce information on all their patents. You know, so I know what you’re saying, Marty, and I, and I kind of agree. I think they could be channeling out information as opposed to PR or fluff that would, would benefit them. But on the other hand, they just leave it up to the media. So, yeah, if they were going to do that, they’d probably be still. Marty, my suggestion, watch Mac voices every Tuesday.
[26:36]Tim Cook’s Legacy Discussion
[26:37]Live just yeah with us that’s so crazy it just might work yep I don’t usually mention um.
[26:50]Op-ed pieces but i found this one to be very interesting um this is tim cook isn’t going to get fired and steve jobs isn’t rolling over his in his grave uh this was on apple insider and, that’s all about all i want to say about it it’s just i i feel like there are a number of things here that have been said on this show along the way about what steve did what you know and why We shouldn’t look at what Steve would do now and what Tim has done and the successes he’s had in spite of some of the facts that maybe he hasn’t had the, oh, my God, unbelievable whiz-bang successes that Steve did. But he’s been a solid performer. So I just I thought this was worth bringing up and pointing people to. What does that even mean? I mean, Apple has made more money under Tim Cook than even accounting for inflation than at any time. In their existence as a company. So if you want to look at it in just financial ways, yeah, Tim Cook has taken Apple to a whole new level and several times being the number one company in the world, whatever the hell that means. As far as innovation goes, it’s mostly been.
[28:13]More of the same i know a lot of people you know think along the lines of well what’s going to be tim cook’s legacy and it’s like well is it going to be the apple vision pro uh probably not and certainly not in its its current form um other than that and how much money is apple that apple has made there’s no one particular product that i can think of that tim cook had a hand in that would cement his legacy as being the person who was running the company, his legacy is uh today his legacy would be this is the man that uh that took apple to a trillion dollars and then tripled that uh this is the man that had the vision to go beyond steve jobs and i and i’ll just come right out and say myopic view of the company steve jobs looked at apple as a hardware company and that was it and tim cook is the person that was like yeah no steve’s wrong Apple is a lot more than a hardware company.
[29:30]And, excuse me. So he has grown the company in a way Tim Cook was not capable of doing. He’s the person that had a vision. Other way around. Other way around, you mean. Yes. Tim Cook is the way Steve Jobs couldn’t end. There we go. Thank you. Tim Cook has grown the company in a way Steve Jobs is never capable of doing. Tim Cook is the man who has the vision of Apple as a company that can find ways to sustain itself for decades to come and is no longer in a position where it will have to rely solely on hardware sales in the long term to keep the company afloat. Yeah. Services is like one of the biggest growing segments of the company. Funny you should bring that up. Because I remember in this article, I read through it earlier today. And Chuck actually did a small bit of prep for the show for once and read one of the articles. In this piece, it talks about how Tim Cook famously made the four quadrants for what Apple does.
[30:46]And uh and people now say well tim cook has totally messed that up and it’s this convoluted mess and uh and jobs his uh his four quadrants it was uh desktop uh laptop and uh what was it it was professional and consumer yeah it was professional and consumer there we go thank you Um, and, uh, and what, what Tim Cook has done, I think he’s still has given us four quadrants, but it’s different from what, what, uh, Steve Jobs had. So Tim has hardware is one quadrant software is another quadrant services and entertainment. So he’s diversified the company in a way that i think ultimately makes it stronger steve jobs if you want to say steve would have never done that no kidding steve was not capable of doing this but tim is yeah and the other problem with relying on one product is you are one oh my god here’s an amazing idea away from going broke said blackberry so.
[32:05]The you know it frankly the iphone has has been an amazing it’s been an amazing run for apple the fact that that you know so many people buy it every single year even though it’s quite frankly not all that much different than what was there the year before um, But it’s not sustainable. So by having the company, and this is kind of what almost killed Apple in the 90s, is they were so focused on their Mac products and trying to diversify that into, you know, three different kinds of computers that really weren’t all that different from one another. And you know and again if we had can if apple had continued on where you know the iphone is the be all and end all of of what apple is making well then what happens when somebody comes along and and out iphones them then you know they’re screwed because they have nothing else but with services. And, uh, I quite frankly think that services and entertainment kind of go hand in hand with the way that, that, that that’s delivered.
[33:25]But, you know, it’s, it’s an area that Apple has grown into and has certainly made a number of missteps over the years as, as they’ve gotten there. Uh, but it’s, it’s a whole new source of revenue for them that, that I, quite frankly, don’t think anyone in Apple, including Tim Cook, foresaw until it became a thing.
[33:51]Steve Jobs certainly laid the groundwork with iTunes, but that was flawed in such a way that it didn’t take into account, you know, the end of cable services and streaming. So now here we are today in a whole new landscape, and Apple is well-suited to take advantage of it. Marty? Yeah. I kind of think when the question was raised, what would Tim Cook’s legacy be? Not in a product per se, because a lot of the products that we talk and use about were initiated before Tim kind of took reins in the company. Company. But I would say for me, one of the things that’s recognizable in this generation is the health piece that Apple seemed to have integrated into phones and watches and, other devices. And then privacy has become a big issue where I’m not sure privacy was as big in the forefront back in jobs days. And I just think that the personal use of devices, the consumer use of devices, has kind of increased under TIMP.
[35:15]Okay. Brian? You know, when I was looking at this article, I really appreciated how the author went back and forth on noting the qualities of each of these CEOs, noting both positive and negatives, things that there were missteps, things that went wrong along the way, jobs in Attenagate, you know, looking at Tim Cook and the cost that was invested in the Apple Card program. Things of that nature that, you know, it shows the humanity of these two men who are leading this, you know, multi-trillion dollar company and how that their personalities shine through. And it’s, I think, too often you see people who get into one camp or another and put these people on pedestals and they could do no wrong. But I really appreciated that the time taken to really show the flaws, but the flaws that everyone has, you know, and they’re making their decisions and the risks that were taken for these different products and services.
[36:26]Jim?
[36:28]I’m kind of thinking that this conversation is kind of going a long way the other way. And i’m hearing a lot of like steve jobs would have never done this or that but first of all all these people at apple are still basically all steve jobs hires i mean tim cook that’s that was steve jobs’s pick so you know he must have had some idea what you know tim cook was going to be like and and thought that was a good direction and you know you’re also talking about entertainment in and whatnot well that’s Eddie Q who is you know Steve Jobs hired him, and whatnot so you know I’m not sure I’m.
[37:10]You know, I mean, obviously things would be different somehow, but it’s not clear to me, you know, oh, we never would have gone into entertainment or we never would. I’m not sure that that’s true. I mean, iTunes was already they were selling music and, you know, that that what’s happened is sort of an outgrowth of that. And I also think, you know, the iPhone is still really the core of this whole thing. And even if you talk about service revenue, first of all, my understanding isn’t a big, huge percentage of services, quote-unquote services revenue, is actually $20 billion that Google pays in order to be on the search bar of the iPhone. So no iPhone, no $20 billion.
[37:59]It’s really just part of the iPhone revenue and a lot of the other service revenue. Revenue is really just part of, you know, the iPhone franchise, too. I mean, there’s no Android buyers aren’t giving, you know, in general, aren’t giving Apple money for services revenue.
[38:18]That’s all an outgrowth of you’ve got to sell the hardware or, you know, no services. So you know i i still kind of think the core of you know is is really iphone and beyond even what the percentage of the iphone numbers are and and even things you know like airpods you know not too probably not too many android users buy airpods you know you you got to buy the the main apple thing and then maybe you buy a watch and maybe you buy you know an apple tv maybe you buy an airpods but it’s mostly you buy an iphone first and then all this stuff is, is you know add-ons and so yeah sure you know they’ve grown out of course it’s been 15 years.
[39:13]You know the product line is has grown out and expanded and and i’m i’m not saying this you know i’m not criticizing tim cook if anything like i’m saying steve jobs was like you know the really interesting thing is going to be see what’s after tim cook because there’s just well i don’t know i don’t think anybody really when jobs was around nobody you know i well there was some clue because Jobs had these medical things where he was gone for a while and Tim was put in as interim. Steve made him interim CEO at that time. But right now, I think we have no idea what is going to be, what’s going to come after Tim Cook. There doesn’t seem to be any clue as to who will be leading Apple at that point.
[40:03]Dave yeah i mean we’re we’re called again you just mentioned it to jim we’re talking about 15 years ago and so much has changed i mean not necessarily apple but the world i mean so much has evolved in technology a lot of the products have been brought in um tim was allowing a lot more flexibility uh you know when johnny ive left we saw a lot of change with the design because there was so much restraint way design was but now it’s more open than ever we got the own the the m series silicon processors i never never thought that would could happen we thought we’d be on intel that that that that change happened as well um comparing steve to to tim it was a different era i mean steve was great and and and i understand that um he also experienced the executive shake shake up like jeff williams and luke mastriani and uh in the cfo and and he still has complete control of the company and and it and the stock has performed relatively well over all those years you know like anything on the stock market it goes up and down but as long as tim wants to continue to work and he wants to continue on and it’s obviously the way he is he does i i don’t see anything changing But,
[41:22]Measuring Success in Leadership
[41:19]yeah, we got a plan just like any company has to have a succession plan. You don’t know what will happen.
[41:24]But, yeah, I thought the article was good to give that comparison, but it was fair on Tim Cook’s side.
[41:35]Jim, quick follow-up to Dave. I guess you mentioned the M1 and, you know, I guess even the ARM processors and the phone. But that also goes back to the PA semi-purchase, which I believe was 2008, right? So that’s still firmly, you know, that was a decision Steve Jobs made that led into that. So even though it’s been 15 years, we’re still seeing ramifications of, you know, foundations that Jobs laid.
[42:12]I’m going to throw one more thing out as far as Tim’s legacy is he’s the guy that came in after Steve and didn’t have the company crash and burn. In any sense. I mean, he has gone in everything you all have said. He built it up. But, you know, I remember there being a lot of trepidation when they started talking about Steve stepping down and then eventually, you know, having to step down. And, you know, okay, yes, Tim did have some good training times in there when Steve was still around that he took the reins. But the fact that he’s continued, I guess, how do you measure success? Is it measured in dollars? Is it measured in revolutionary products? Is it measured in product mix? I think depending on what you want to measure it by, that’s where you’re going to decide what the legacy is and whether Tim has been a success or not. But I know for my money, in every sense, I think he has been. It’s just been different because the world is different. I certainly don’t see how you could argue that Tim Cook has not been a success there are people out there Jim I agree they’re just contrarians, they’re trying to draw attention to themselves or.
[43:40]Closing Remarks and Support
The panel discusses Apple’s F1 movie passing $500M, the debut of “In the Loop” as a new messaging platform, and a deep dive into Tim Cook’s leadership versus Steve Jobs’ legacy. Topics range from Apple’s diversification into services to the iPhone’s enduring role, with side notes on movie-going trends and iCloud scam alerts.